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Leadership Series
Exclusive interview with Thomas White & Sanford Danziger
Interviewed by Greg Thomas
Thomas
White, J.D., has presented the concept of the Totally
Responsible Person® in various
areas of the world including the U.S.A. He was a trial lawyer and
professional mediator for over twenty-five years. Thomas served
in the Peace Corps in Ethiopia and in the U.S. Army in Thailand.
Sanford
Danziger, M.D., is a psychotherapist and management
consultant. He has co-authored two books on these topics. He conducts
seminars throughout the U.S.A. and abroad. Since 1989 Dr. Danziger
has been a feedback coach at the Center for Creative Leadership
in Greensboro, N.C.
1) Thomas and Sanford, we first came
to the attention of your fine organizations by reading a poll listed
in Fast Company Magazine. First, tell us about the "Center
for Purposeful Living" (www.purposeful.org)
and a brief history?
CPL evolved out of work a group of people did in an all-volunteer
organization named Human Service Alliance (HSA). For fifteen years
HSA, with no paid staff and receiving no government funding, provided
around-the-clock care for the terminally ill, provided a respite
for families with developmentally disabled children, mediated disputes,
and assisted those with chronic health problems. All services were
provided at no charge. It received quite a bit of publicity, not
only for its service projects and unique organization, but also
for its organizational effectiveness. It was recognized by former
President Bush as a Point of Light, received numerous awards and
was featured on the PBS series, Visionaries. Staff at the Greenleaf
Center for Servant Leadership in Indianapolis named HSA as one of
the few truly "servant leadership" organizations in the
country.
The experiences of a highly motivated core group and unpaid volunteers
who came from all parts of the world resulted in many "learnings."
They had to answer the question: How can we motivate a group, bound
only by their desire to be here, to be positive, productive, and
effective, all the time, no matter what the circumstances? The answer
to this question taught us much about organizational effectiveness,
how to work together in a group setting, and what it takes to make
an organization work. Interestingly, none of the people involved
had any significant organizational experience working in such ways.
The learnings involved such notions as exercising personal responsibility
for handling everything that happens to us, even when it is not
our fault, leaving our personal agendas at the door, thinking like
management at every level, acting entrepreneurial even in the most
menial of jobs, the importance of right human relations and many
others.
We began to train volunteers and other inquiring volunteer-based
organizations. Eventually, around 1998, it was realized that our
work had always been about education, service and expanding our
personal capacity. We decided, then, to start CPL. Full-time classes
began in 2000. All accepted students receive full room, board and
tuition at the 15 acre campus in Winston-Salem, N.C. Faculty and
staff are all volunteers. It is an experimental school that helps
students move toward their finest expression-that which we call
their "inner goodness." We are honored to teach one of
its year-long courses, Becoming the Totally Responsible Person™(TRP®).
The noted philosopher and author Jacob Needleman, in another context,
may have best described the educational process at CPL: An intentional
process of using our will to move toward virtue. The program is
often referred to as a "boot camp" for "practical
spirituality." Boot camp, because it is not easy or a place
just to come and hang out, and "practical spirituality,"
because it assumes that most of us already know the theory. The
emphasis is putting it into practice. Students with the fortitude
to make it through the program, leave with a more confident and
purposeful approach to life than they had when they arrived. We've
had successful students ranging in age from 18 to 68.
2) Another organization that you
serve with enthusiasm is TRP Enterprises, Inc. (TRP®-Totally
Responsible Person®) (www.trpnet.com).
Tell us about TRP® and how is it associated with
the Center for Purposeful Living?
In 1995 we were asked to take the TRP® material
(being used at HSA successfully) into the market place to see if
it would work there, too. We established TRP Enterprises, Inc.,
a for-profit company. We pay royalties to CPL for use of the TRP®
material, which continues to evolve. We provide training, trainer
certification, coaching, ongoing courses in person or over the phone,
and other services and products.
3)
Give us a definition of being a Totally Responsible Person? Why
is personal responsibility important, and what are it qualities?
The complete definition can be found on our web site at www.trpnet.com.
The essence of responsibility involves using life as a learning
process and embracing everything that happens to
us as something from which we can learn and grow. Being TRP®
means that we eliminate complaining, blaming, negative criticism,
defensiveness and other emotional reactions-that we stop taking
things personally and letting things get to us. It means that we
learn to stay positive, productive and effective, no matter what
the circumstances and no matter what external cause may have existed.
It means that we take responsibility for our feelings, words, and
behaviors; that we learn that we can choose our attitude and approach
to life; that character is something that can be developed through
the use of our will and the conscious choices we make. And most
of all it means that we can choose a life that is outwardly focused,
selfless and service oriented, rather than focused on our own wants,
desires and personal agendas.
It means that we're willing to look at deficiencies in our own
lives and relationships and consciously make corrections; that we're
willing to seek help of wiser souls when needed; and that we'll
avoid those behaviors which encourage others to be irresponsible.
It means that we seek and find our life purpose and pursue it with
vigor, commitment and dedication and that in pursuing our purpose
we focus on what is important, knowing that the little things that
happen to us really don't matter because something else matters
more.
Now, lest this seems daunting, we admit that we don't really know
any "totally" responsible people, and that certainly includes
ourselves. However, we know many who see this as a desirable goal
to pursue and they are doing it.
Personal responsibility, as we've defined it, is the first and
primary ingredient required for any successful life-success being
defined in terms of realizing one's potential and developing one's
inherent talents and abilities and infusing our little egos with
the very best we can muster. Business magazines that profile business
leaders show that almost all have a large measure of these qualities.
Recently, for example, Fortune featured Warren Buffet. His administrative
assistant of sixteen years was quoted as saying: "I need roller
skates to keep up with him but I've never seen him mad." People,
like Warren Buffet don't have time to get mad, engage in blame and
criticism-they've got too much to do. They are the problem solvers
of the world. They're the ones who Kipling described in his poem
"IF": "If you can keep your head when all about you
are losing theirs and blaming it on you…you'll be a man, my
son." TRPs use their mental faculties and capabilities to manage
their lives, exercising enormous self-control.
4)
What do you believe the "Victim Mentality" has done to
individuals and our culture?
The "victim mentality" is the single most significant
barrier to personal effectiveness and productivity on the planet.
All of us possess it to some degree or another.
Specifically, it…
• is the source of negativity in individuals and organizations;
• costs billions of dollars each year in lost productivity;
• is the primary, if not sole, barrier to effective change;
• destroys relationships;
• impedes the receipt and productive use of feedback;
• inhibits our ability to give feedback effectively;
• prevents effective teamwork;
• breeds jealousy and competition;
• inhibits creativity;
• is contagious;
• is so insidious that we often don't recognize it in ourselves;
• is characterized by greed, selfishness, and excessive materialism;
• can consume us;
• promotes the pursuit of personal agendas different from
that of the organization;
• prevents acceptance of others who are different from us
and impedes the appreciation of diversity;
• is the root of our cultural proclivities to whine, sue,
discriminate with prejudice, rage on the road and feel entitled;
• provides the justification for blaming and complaining;
and
• contributes to a myriad of health problems.
Jack Welch, former GE CEO described his first rule of management
in the Wall Street Journal a few years ago as follows: "Tell
people to never allow themselves to become victims. They should
go somewhere else, if that's how they feel." He didn't want
them around. Fortunately, many of us are somewhere in between the
two poles of the victim and the TRP® and are consciously
choosing to move toward the traits of the TRP®.
5) CPL has innovatively established
a restaurant operated by volunteers who are trained to become Totally
Responsible People. Tell us about the California Fresh Buffet?
We know of no other place like it. When CPL was established, it
was quickly recognized that we needed a practical and intensive
learning environment for students to put into practice what they
learned in the classroom. A restaurant staffed by faculty, students,
and community volunteers seemed to provide the perfect environment,
a laboratory in which the skills could be honed and developed. It
also serves as a demonstration to the community and prospective
students of what can happen when certain fundamental principles
are applied in a market place setting. Previously, they had been
demonstrated by this organization to families of the dying and others,
but now they are shown to the general public-tens of thousand of
people dining each year. And it has a 100% health department rating.
Interestingly, none of the people involved had any prior restaurant
experience and the local food critic has rated it as one of the
top restaurants in the city. The fact that it has become a successful
restaurant is a testament to the application of the underlying philosophy
taught.
6) What do the students and volunteers
learn by working at the California Fresh Buffet?
With 150 customers seated and eating and another 50 waiting in
line, a restaurant can be a stressful place to work. That is one
reason why a restaurant was chosen as the learning lab. Students
quickly begin the process of learning to handle demanding tasks,
taking feedback, and providing service in a way that is different
from any place we've ever seen. A primary goal is to help bring
out in students that innate quality that wants to be of service.
Students learn that we can actually "want" to be in such
a place and thrive in any task, from mopping the floors to washing
the pots. Why? Because we're contributing to something greater than
ourselves. We have doctors washing pots, lawyers doing menial tasks,
a CPA bussing tables, housewives cooking, and a former secretary
managing the entire operation. When people want to be where they
are, doing what they are doing with the sole purpose of serving,
the customers know it. That type of selflessness has an enormous
impact on the customers. Thus, in the end, the students learn the
significance and power of inspiration.
Students learn the importance and "how to" of working
in a group. Students are put in the position of having to be responsible
for a particular area or direct some aspect of the operation. It
is quite a sight to see a 22-year-old head table busser directing
the activities of two doctors, a housewife and a flight attendant-all
old enough to be his parent. Learning by doing is the technique.
As one highly educated student from Africa said: "Working here
is like getting an MBA."
7)
You strongly believe in the value of good parenting! Tell us the
similarities between good leaders and good parents?
Success in any life endeavor can be connected to a few basic principles
and behaviors. For us, responsibility is fundamental. Responsibility
includes the willingness to sacrifice. Sacrifice results in inspiration.
Both leaders and parents, to be effective, must demonstrate their
willingness to sacrifice and be an example which their employees
or children will want to emulate. On our web site is a table that
helps identify what kind of example we want to set for our children.
Many of the items are just as applicable to leaders. Click
for more details.
Both delegate tasks to be performed. Assignments that are seen
as contributing to the whole take on a meaning greater than the
task itself. People enjoy doing them because they are contributing
to the success of the family or organization. Communicating this
correctly is the task of the parent or employer.
Structure and discipline paradoxically help establish the environment
in which freedom and creativity can flourish. Freedom within the
structure provides an unbridled opportunity for self-expression
and experimentation.
Consequences and accountability are essential. Holding one accountable
or imposing consequences is for the purpose of helping the individual
learn and grow. The expectation that consequences and accountability
flow from errors should be part of the family or organizational
culture. The intent of the parent or leader is to serve those for
whom s/he is responsible. At California Fresh Buffet, if we break
something, we pay for it. It's as simple as that.
Click here for more on this topic.
Thanks Thomas & Sanford for a
stimulating interview and the positive change you are promoting
in the lives of others!
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